Decatur, Ala. | Friday, May 24, 2013
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High school band directors see drop in marching band participation
By Ben Montgomery
Daily photo by Brennen Smith
The Decatur High School marching band performs before the Red Raiders' game against Buckhorn on Friday night.

High school bands are shrinking and band directors are baffled.

Decatur High School Band Director Robbie Stout said his band dropped from 91 members in 2000 to 64 this year.

“We’re trying to find the answer,“ he said. “It’s very concerning.”

Stout figures he loses students between middle school and high school, but he isn’t sure why. He is researching the problem by analyzing his membership for each year over the decade he has directed DHS’s band and talking to former students to get their take on the situation.

“Economics are a big part of it,” Stout said. “Instruments can be expensive, some are around $1,000, and a lot of kids can’t afford them.”

Unlike sports programs, which typically charge only a fee for participation, band students are often responsible for all of the band’s expenses, including pricey uniforms and trips, and fundraisers can go only so far.

Band can also present scheduling conflicts for students. Stout said families with single parents are becoming more common, and more students have after-school jobs.

“There’s this small majority of students at every school that do everything,” Stout said. “If 40 percent of students are the only ones doing anything extracurricular, then you’ve got a limited clientele.”

The missing link between middle school and high school could be a resurgence of an old problem. A 1994 study by professors at the University of Miami’s School of Music interviewed 50 band directors and found the same economic and scheduling issues Stout did. But the most common reason for dropouts was a student’s “lack of commitment to work.”

Middle school programs are little more than one period a day and a few concerts a year, whereas high school marching band programs include daily after-school practices, Friday-night football games and weekend competitions during football season.

“It can wear a kid out,” Stout said.

Brewer High School Band Director Doug Farris is trying to keep middle-schoolers’ interest by forming the bands at Brewer’s four feeder schools into one band called the “Patriot Cadets.”

“It’s to give them a sense of being in a big group,” he said.

Brewer’s band had 120 students in 2004. Today it has 100.

The Brewer band also takes trips to vacation destinations like New Orleans or Chicago. There is usually a big band event in those cities — Brewer has marched down Main Street at Walt Disney World — but band members also have plenty of fun as a way to generate buzz and entice incoming freshmen.

Farris said schools have more extracurricular options than 10 years ago, which creates competition for band, specifically citing Brewer’s new robotics program. More academic demands on students can also mean less time for activities outside of the classroom.

“Kids just have too much to do,” he said. “cellphones weren’t as prevalent 10 years ago, and there were fewer clubs and organizations to be involved in.”

Decatur Schools Superintendent Ed Nichols directed Austin High School’s band for 10 years. He said many bands’ populations have diminished, but it’s not fair to say the problem is universal.

“A lot of bands have grown, like West Morgan,” he said. “If a school has 10 percent of its students in band, that’s average.”

Austin High has one of the largest bands in north Alabama. At its peak it had 250 members. Now it has around 175.

Nichols said there are some challenges, particularly increasingly difficult graduation requirements. He said one way to increase enrollment is to change activity schedules to avoid competition between programs, particularly music programs. One idea the school system is considering is to allow band and choral students to participate in both programs.

“Dance could be an option later, too,” he said.

Nichols said band — like most extracurricular activities — teaches kids to work as a team.

“There’s a competitive nature in every kid,” he said. “They want to know what they’re doing matters.”

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I honestly don't think commitment to work is the biggest problem. The people I went through marching band with (from high school all the way through college) would do anything they could to enjoy the fun that marching band provided. In my opinion, it mostly has to do with the cost of it. I played alto saxophone, and honestly, it was very expensive. Every few weeks, I would have to buy another pack of reeds (and only a limited few were actually worthy of being used) which costed anywhere from ten to twenty dollars. Even still that wasn't enough to keep a student from joining the fun. What really came into play was the continued maintenance of the horn. If conditions outside were two humid my pads would swell and pop out, costing me at least five bucks to replace (sometimes much more); I recall one time during college marching band that I had to pay about thirty dollars (don't worry, I returned to Decatur to get the maintenance done at Emiron, where they provide MUCH better service at a lower price) to replace about 4 or 5 pads that had popped out because of excessive moisture during a rehearsal.

The fact is, band is an expensive endeavor. I love sports, and the reason why marching band is successful is because of sports, but sometimes we forget that marching band also contributes to the success of sports. It's one of those situations where one situation contributes to the advent of another, but that another's presence contributes to the success of the very activity that gave it life.

So, we need to all realize that band is an important part of our community. Not just for arts education, but also for sports. I've noticed a huge difference in how sports teams perform relative to the presence of their musical support. How many of you think your favorite NFL team would perform better if they had their own, tiresomely loyal, musical group supporting them?! Exactly. That's the reason why we need to contribute more money toward our instrumental music groups. The City of Decatur actually does MUCH MUCH better than many school districts in Alabama regarding this subject; but, there is always room for improvement.

Music education is literally one of the few areas where increased funding actually leads to an increase in success. How many other areas of education can say that....?

What works to keep the band members happy? Let them have a say in what the band plays! When the director demands they play only the classic marches, show tunes and big band tunes the kids loose interest! They love the oldies and pop tunes! I think this is the reason Austin's band grew so much under Dr Nichols.direction.

Yes, let them have a say, by all means; but let's not forget that big band tunes a classical concert music are what make band an art. Many wont admit it bud they'd rather play classical renditions of Chicago, Rhapsody In Blue, or Queen, that worn out modern tunes like Nicki Minaj or Beyonce. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Beyonce, I think she's one of the most artistic modern musicians, but her music is not meant to be played by a marching or concert band. A band director is there to educate as much as he/she is there to facilitate; if we simply let the kids decide every last bit of music they play, will they ever learn to appreciate the music that people like Dr. Nichols taught kids to love? I assure you, Dr. Nichols had a balance. Yes, kids had a say, but he was sure make them aware of true musical talent and greatness.

It is about your "half-time" entertainment.......not band competitions

It is about your "half-time" entertainment.......not band competitions

Church choirs are trending away from expensive and cumbersome choir robes. Other traditional items are being cut from workplace budgets. Take the uniform out of the equation and march in khaki', if necessary.

The Band Directors have an impact on memberships.

When I was in marching band back in the late 70's early 80's, every student in marching band carried their instrument and marched in the field. I have seen many bands now drag out bass guitars, keyboards and other electronic gadgets. Since when did electrict techo gadgets become the norm for a marching band? A "true" marching band has ALL students on the field, carrying their instrument and marching, not on the sidelines. And YES I agree with letting kids help pick the music. Some of the music I have herad the last 2 years is just plain weird and not enjoyable halftime music.

Robert hit it..it's about the leadership. A band director can make or break a program. Kids can be motivated in the right direction. And as for the cost, parents and booster programs do what they can so that any student who wants to participate, can. If the director is not suitable for the mix of students you have, they drop out. And then go on to do other things. They have choices.

A marching band is a labor of love without the recognition they deserve.Having been in a Marching Band in the sixties I was fortunate to have had a real professional band leader @ MCHS. Mr. James was an excellent teacher that demanded your best and the kids as myself that couldn't afford a instrument started in the seventh grade with a school furnished instrument ,but these were few.We didn't have computers or iphones to occupy our time as kids today and I can understand how band participation is decreasing.

I was a band member at Decatur High School around 3 decades ago. My senior year we had 71 musicians (including 8 young ladies who played an instrument in concert band but marched with the flags/majorettes) and 13 young ladies who marched with the flags or majorettes but did not play an instrument in concert band. With those 71 students we maintained a national reputation as one of the best concert bands in the country as the DHS Band had done for many years.

From my perspective, one reason bands like West Morgan and Hartselle haven't seen as much decline in membership as Decatur and Austin is socioeconomic demographics and the changes in Decatur over the last 20 or so years. Many more of the classmates I participated in band with at Decatur now live in Hartselle, Trinity, Priceville, and Madison (both city & county) than still live in the city of Decatur. Their children either went to or are still going to Hartselle, West Morgan, Priceville, Sparkman, Bob Jones, Buckhorn, etc. This is especially true on the eastern side of Decatur where very little new home construction has occurred for well over a generation. Several of my classmates still living in Decatur are on the Austin side of town because that is where the housing growth has been for so long. That is also the reason Austin's enrollment is larger than Decatur's, even when the Developmental and Horizon students are included in the total at DHS for sports classification purposes. When the AHSAA reclassified high schools between the 2009-10 and 2010-11 school years Austin was the 27th largest 6A school in the state. Decatur was the 60th of 62 6A schools and only 11 students larger than the largest 5A school. The previous two year period DHS was the smallest 6A school in the state after just moving back up from two years in the 5A classification. Decatur (both sides of town) has become a city with fewer of the typical middle class families that the majority of band students tend to come from. Coming up with the money to purchase an instrument for a middle school child is difficult enough for many of the city's parents and then paying band fees of around $400-500 a year can be an even bigger struggle. This is a shame as there have been a number of studies that show children involved in some form of music education do better academically than any other broad-based extracurricular activity. Last year both the valedictorian and salutatorian at DHS were also members of the band. In 2011 the valedictorian was a member of the band. The year before that 63% of the band's graduates were members of the National Senior Honor Society.

The Decatur City Schools has long held a reputation for quality instruction. They continue to do a great job, especially considering the shift in the economic makeup of Decatur's families with school aged children. But the recent test results at Brookhaven Middle School also demonstrate that excellent instruction can only go so far when there is little or no parental involvement and when special instruction to at risk students is available at no charge to the families but they choose not to take advantage of the opportunity. At some point you need to have realistic expectations of student participation levels based on the types of homes they are coming from.

I have seen a lot of posts about the past decades. Times are different. Most of today's youth have the "what's in it for me" attitude. As generations continue forward, it is only going to get worse. Today's youth is just flat out lazy. Have you tried to hire anybody lately? Lots of people want a job, but aren't willing to work for the rewards. Personally, I would view Band as an avenue for a college scholarship, but there again, you have to want it, to get it.

When I was in High School, it was considered an honor to be in the band and booster club. The booster club was made up of females. We had to pass inspection before each game or parade. If your socks, skirt and gloves weren't white - you did not get to participate. We sat in the stands with the band with exactly the same space between each one of us. It was a pride and joy to participate. The school picked 4 majorettes their freshman year and they remained the majorettes until they graduated. The band leader was awesome. Just because you took band, did not mean you could march with the band. Like I said, it was an honor. I wish our young people and parents could get more involved with the students and encourage them to take advantage of these opportunities. You make wonderful memories, along with becoming better citizens.

At Decatur High, it's never been cool to be in the band.

GOOD!!!. Can we get rid of it now. I always thought they should bring the kickers out at halftime to practice kicking anyways. I hate watching the bands. Play a sport or get off the field. and by the way it is not halftime entertainment. no one but their parents are watching. Maybe both bands should meet at the visiting team's field and just play their hearts out while the athletes play football

GOOD!!!. Can we get rid of it now. I always thought they should bring the kickers out at halftime to practice kicking anyways. I hate watching the bands. Play a sport or get off the field. and by the way it is not halftime entertainment. no one but their parents are watching. Maybe both bands should meet at the visiting team's field and just play their hearts out while the athletes play football

Anthony . . . Believe it or not, folks like to see Decatur and Austin bands perform, even with all the issues they have to deal with. Stay in Falkville where you belong . . . one less issue we have to deal with.

Cost is a large part of it. It takes a lot of money and time invested to be successful in band.

It always did cost a lot of money and time. I disagree that today's youth are lazy. Sure, some are. But I think most are looking for a challenge. Band competitions - emphasis on playing and marching, no football in sight - has provided some of that. I'm afraid Decatur High came too late to that party. In DHS' case, it could be about the band director, and about the middle school band director(s). Student input should be considered in music selection. Mr. Spiller once talked about movie themes for a show, and then named several movies that pre-dated the current high school generation by 40 and 50 years. "Gone With the Wind?" None of the kids ever heard of the movie or book, much less the musical theme.

Falkville has a great band, wonderful parents and an awesome band director. Sorry that Anthony is so self centered to appreciate what others bring to the table.

Ben - Do you realize Decatur's band is the ONLY band from the entire state of Alabama to EVER qualify and perform in the evening finals at the prestigious "Contest of Champions", the nation's oldest continuous marching band competition? They did so in both 2010 and 2011 and also won "Best in Class A" at the same competition those two years. Muscle Shoals, one of the most successful competition bands in recent years from North Alabama, has been competing there for years without earning that distinction. Decatur High's band has taken "Best in Class" twice in three trips over the last four years (they did not compete in 2010 because it was the day after DHS's Homecoming) at the Vanderbilt Marching Invitational that sees competition between some of the best bands from Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, and Kentucky. They've won best in class almost every time they've competed recently at the Tennessee Valley Invitational that draws bands from Tennessee and Mississippi as well as northern Alabama and earned Small Division Champion the required three times to permanently keep that traveling trophy. Before they started participating in the more competitive regional competitions, they were winning similar honors at other local contests hosted by Hartselle, West Morgan, Grissom, Hanceville, etc. Exactly what party have other bands in this area been seen at that Decatur's band is late to?

As to the current directors at Oak Park and Decatur: while no teacher or coach is perfect I think both are doing very well with the current economic demographics (in terms of families with school aged children) on the east side of Decatur. I've been listening to school bands for the better part of four decades and I've never heard a middle school band with a better sound than what I'm hearing from the students at Oak Park the last couple of years. They play with better intonation, balance, and dramatic use of dynamics than many high school bands in this area. And based on conversations with several retired band directors, including one who is a member of the Alabama Bandmasters Hall of Fame, I'm not alone in that opinion. As for Decatur's director, the record speaks for itself: A Superior rating at the spring State Assessment (what used to be called State Contest) every year he has been at Decatur High, State Champion (and Southeast Regional medalists) Winter Guards in 2009 and 2010, and success in marching competitions that is highlighted above.

Numbers have been a challenge for the band at Decatur High as often as not for at least the last 35 years. As I mentioned in an earlier comment, we only had 71 musicians and 84 total members my senior year in the early 1980's, and that was when the enrollment at DHS was around 1,100 students. Today there are about 700 students at DHS (not counting the developmental & Horizon students) and this article says there are 64 students in the band program. That is a higher participation rate now than 30+ years ago. Back then we had 23 cheerleaders (9 varsity, 7 b-team, and 7 freshman) instead of almost 50 cheerleaders in grades 9-12 like they do now, and we had no soccer teams (boys or girls). All those activities pull potential members away from other groups including band.

Regarding repertoire: I was fortunate during my high school years to be exposed to and perform a wide range of music. Classical masters like Bach, Liszt, Mussorgsky, Saint-Saens, Rimsky-Korsakov, and Tchaikovsky to more contemporary composers like Grainger, Shostakovich, Clifton Williams, Leroy Anderson, William Walton, Jacob, and del Borgo. We did pieces from the American songbook by Sousa, Hamlisch, Ellington, Basie, Rogers & Hammerstein, Nestico, and others. I wouldn't trade those experiences and the journey of musical discovery they started me on for anything. We would never have suggested such wonderful pieces to our director because, until he introduced them to us, we didn't know they existed. Isn't that what education is supposed to be about? Discovering parts of the human experience we were previously unaware of? If we wanted to play Led Zeppelin, Queen, Disco, or any other rock we could (and some did) buy a guitar and start a rock band! We could already hear that stuff on the radio. And we did play a limited amount of popular music current at the time. The fact that you and your fellow students had never heard of "Gone With the Wind" was a perfect reason to have played it!

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